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Openish Thread (Testing a New Feature…)

Hey all. It’s Sunday afternoon of a holiday weekend and the weather is glorious here, so what better (worse) time to unleash a new feature on KDO? I’ve been working on a new wysiwyg comment editor for the past few days and it’s finally ready to go. Asking you folks to deal with HTML while leaving a comment was always a bit of a kludge, but now you can include links, blockquoted text, lists, and bold/italic text formatting in your comments and know exactly what it’s going to look like before posting.

You can try it out by sharing something worthwhile you’ve seen, heard, or learned recently. Feedback and bug reports welcome!!

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Jason KottkeMOD Edited

I love this Instagram post about a woman who went to a World Cup watch party in Oakland for a Cape Verde match. 30 years ago, she'd spent two years on Cape Verde teaching English to teenagers.

And at the watch party you will ask the organizer if he's from Cape Verde. He will say yes, from Praia. And you'll say oh! I lived there for two years. I was a teacher. And he will ask, "What's your name?" You will tell him and he will say, "You were my teacher."

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Mark Fisher

This is the best thing I’ve seen online in a long time. Made me tear up. Wonderful. 

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Sean Loiselle

Small bug report: using cmd + B/cmd + I seems like it can get into a weird state where it cannot "unapply" the formatting (at least in the display; not sure how the content ultimately gets displayed).

Very cool to see this, though. Love how simple and clear the interactions are.

Jason KottkeMOD

Hi Sean. I squashed a bug like this earlier and I can't get this one to reproduce. What browser/OS are you on?

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Sean Loiselle

Still hitting it today; Firefox Developer Edition 153.0b9 (aarch64)

Also, getting some pretty bizarro behavior with CMD + Z, coupled with copy/paste. Having a hard time recreating it, but maybe something to keep an eye out for. Seems like you've put a lot of elbow grease into this!


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Garak

Maybe everyone knows about this already, but I've recently rediscovered Infinite Mac and it's so much fun. A nice reminder that computers don't have to be evil. (Also: here in Firefox on dark mode, I can't see the hyperlink because it's the same color as the background! If I highlight it, I can see it.)

Jason KottkeMOD

Ah yes, that is a bug. Let's see if it's fixed. Seems to be! Thanks for catching it.

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David Friedman

I stayed as a guest in someone’s home recently and they had this tissue dispenser in their bathroom. Somehow I’ve gone my entire life without seeing this style tissue dispenser. Now I’m browsing various designs I had never considered for dispensing tissues. [styling buttons and keyboard shortcuts work for me!]

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Sara

This is gorgeous and decadent and useful in the best possible combination and I love it 

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Jason KottkeMOD

Quick question: how many of you use dark mode vs. light mode when reading KDO?

Andy Baio

I'm always, always light mode. I don't think I use dark mode in a single app or website. My son thinks I'm deranged for using Discord in light mode.

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Kate O

Always dark mode wherever it is offered.

Jasper Nighthawk

Dark mode on mobile, light mode on desktop. 

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PETER CIPRIANI

DM 100%

Caroline G.

light mode

Pete Switzerland Edited

Both, depending on mood. I have no loyalty.

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Mark Fisher

Light mode 100%

Margaret Warton

Light mode. Always.

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Mike Harding

I’m always in light mode too (text editor works great btw!)

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Scott Welty

My mac pics dark or light mode. Is that bad?

brian c.

Dark Mode for life, yo.

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Rex Sorgatz

Take: Dark Moders are the most overzealous people on the internet. But they also make great beta testers, because they like to tell you about everything

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David Friedman

I use Light mode everywhere. I made a page 20 years ago that explains why dark mode hurts my eyes: https://ironicsans.com/owmyeyes/

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Sara

That’s interesting @david — tho, maybe it’s being ND, but light backgrounds feel like they are shouting at me so dark mode is MUCH gentler on my eyes! 

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Keith Dawson

Light mode 100%, and I have a bookmarklet to coerce those websites that impose dark mode into black on white.

Mike Riley

Light mode at all times. Tried dark mode but I don't find it friendly to my eyes.

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Jason KottkeMOD

Oh and I forgot to add: draft comment text is saved automagically if you accidentally close the comment editor. Works for replies too.

Artmem

When making text bold, (at least in safari), if I select it after the fact and bold it it's fine. but I can't type command-B and keep typing (which I don't really care about), and if I highlight the most recent word and bold it with command B, there's no way to stop the bold text. command-b by itself does nothing. selecting everything but the word I want bold unbolds everything, including the word I want bold. the only way to actually bold a word is to go back and do it later.
Also, I just noticed if you're typing bold text and autocorrect replaces a mistyped word, that replaced word won't be bold, but everything around it will.

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Chris Koerner Edited

I recently went to London and took a day trip to Paris. It was as hot as the devils anus. So we stepped into one of Paris' many beautiful (and air conned) museums. I’m a big video game nerd. Lo and behold they had this one week exhibition happening whilst I was there. It was a nice bit of kismet. 

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Erica E

We’re leaving tomorrow on a road trip through Michigan! MSP to the UP, then down along the eastern shore of Lake Michigan, including a stop to do a triathlon and check off my 3rd Great Lake swim. Then stopping in Chicago on the way home, which initially I was resistant to but after a visit w/o my kid I figured yes, my kid should see the biggest city she’s seen. 

If you have any strong thoughts on the best pasties, Mackinac island, or anything else, let me know!

Artmem

I've never had a pastie that wasn't the blandest thing I've ever eaten.  I'm sure a local would tell you otherwise, but they're all pretty much the same to me. Do stop in Traverse City though, if you haven't been. Great little downtown to walk around and shop. Stop at Milk N Honey for ice cream.

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Phil Dokas

It might take a small jog, but Betty’s Pies just north of Duluth. So worth it.

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Isah

My kiddo is going backpacking in the UP over the next 10 days. If you see a bright red bus on your travels, it just might be her and her merry crew! I'm always thrilled when teens decide to set their "I'm too cool" aside to do actual cool things.

(When I pointed out this opportunity, she sighed, "If I apply for this one—which might actually be fun because snakes and ladybugs, yay—you won't dare suggest any drama camps to me, so yeah, sure, okay." 😅)

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Keith Dawson

Do check out Petoskey, high up on that western shore. Hemingway spent childhood summers there.

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Pete Switzerland

We're road tripping up the coast from Southern California in August; last stop will be the Oregon Shakespeare Festival. Anyone been?

Obnoxious self-promo (sorry if that's frowned upon) -- check out my blog if you enjoy strange, humorous short stories! 🙆‍♀️

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Yen Ha

Have done this exact trip ending in the Oregon Shakespeare Festival! We only had tickets to one performance but ended up seeing several more since we were already there. I love open air performances so much

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Tim Hare Edited

I am testing this new wysiwig editor and I can't seem to turn bold on/off using Ctrl-B unless I highlight the text and then press the "button". Same problem with italics.  I'm one of those keyboard shortcuts guys since I learned keyboards on an IBM card reader and an IBM 327x terminal.   

Does, or will, this editor also support Markdown eventually?

Environment is Windows 10, Firefox 152.0.4.  

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Kevin E McDormand

A very young Questlove is in the video for Boyz II Men's "Motownphilly."

https://kev2.substack.com/p/questlove-is-in-the-motownphilly

Jason KottkeMOD

This is an amazing tidbit.

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Bud Caddell

I recently watched The Straight Story and enjoyed it. 

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Scott Welty

Just back from Traditional Jazz Camp (for grownups!) In New Orleans. We got to play at Preservation hall and have our own parade (Back Line). Great people. Good fun. Learned a LOT of music. 

Tim Erskine

So here I am, drinking coffee in the morning when I find the following:

  1. KDO has a task for us readers;
  2. The weather continues to be extreme here in coastal Virginia;
  3. I can't think of a third thing.

So in pursuit of a third thing I think I'll make a bulleted list:

  • I'll try ITALIC - which I have discovered I can't turn off
  • I'll try BOLD - which I have discovered I can't turn off 

Hopefully Jason can fix these (FYI, using Firefox (152.0.4) on a Macbook Air (M4, MacOS 26.5.1))

Jason KottkeMOD

Ah yes, this is a bug (as noted by others above as well). Working on a fix...

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mattrad

This is an excellent random thread and clever way of eliciting user testing. 

This is an excellent random thread and clever way of eliciting user testing, including when quoting oneself. 

italic bold link in a blockquote!

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LizBn Edited

Anyone follow Kelsey Pfendler's rowI did not hear about it until it was done.

 https://www.instagram.com/p/DaX5PydkenM/?img_index=1

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Colin L.

Today I learned about Garry Davis through a 99PI podcast

Davis renounced his citizenship of the United States in May 1948 at the American Embassy in Paris, France, declaring himself instead a citizen of the world.

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Alex S

I made a rant on Threads about the DoD logo from the technical specification for aircraft AC generators. It's got everything:

  • Bad kerning 
  • Websafe colors
  • Hand drawn eagle

(This editor is near, but can you put a toggle for the HTML editor, I enjoyed writing directly in HTML like it was 1995)

Jason KottkeMOD

Ok, I fixed the bug where if you bolded or italicized a word at the end of line, like this, pressing the right arrow will undo the formatting. (Links work like this too.) The bold/italics stuff might need a little more tweaking...gonna let it simmer for a bit.

The comment editor is meant to be small (in scope and in file size) and opinionated (no HTML or Markdown editing), so covering every way that different people like to edit text just isn't going to happen — this isn't Google Docs and thank goodness for that. Generally, the KDO comment editor works best if you type the text first and format after. 🤷‍♂️ There are definitely ways to make the formatting break — particularly if you're testing/debugging like in this thread — but covering every single possible edge case isn't worth the effort or the code.

Jason KottkeMOD

I just checked how many KDO comments use any formatting at all (aside from links, not including me either): just 4%.

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Yen Ha

This reminds me of the Simplenote app, which I cannot live without - and which does not allow ANY formatting AT ALL. Sometimes I really wished I had a bold option but mostly I use CAPS.

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Nelson Minar

Jason, did you really implement your own HTML editor in 2026? I love that and I bet it is instantly better than most of the Javascript packages out there you could have included. Would love a tech post about how you implemented it.

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Colter Mccorkindale Edited

Took my kid to a very granola summer camp in New Hampshire. She slept in an earthen, Hobbit-esque dwelling, learned to pee in the woods, make fire, chop wood, and carve a spoon. She came back covered in bug bites and she loved every minute

Matt Jacobs

I just saw Maddie’s Secret on Friday and it’s an oddball delight. It’s more comedy than drama, but its ability to defy categorization makes it all the more fun.

Maybe it’s like if Wet Hot American Summer took itself 50% more seriously.

[It would be great if Command-Return submitted the form.]

Jason KottkeMOD

Good idea! Done.

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Jason KottkeMOD

Oh, and it is now possible to comment on timeless posts reshared to the front page. Like: https://kottke.org/18/08/the-mostly-true-story-of-hobo-graffiti

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Leon Barnard

I started Ketamine (Spravato) therapy recently. So far, big thumbs up! But I can’t get over how getting high AF is legal, and covered by insurance!

File this under things that are not terrible right now?

Matthew Haughey

This is a pretty great editor!

"This is a test of the quoting system" — Mark Twain

And a list

  1. first things first
  2. wrapping up

What if I want to emphasize something anything?

Barry Hess

How did I not make this connection before? From the Hamilton papers:

I have resolved, if our interview is conducted in the usual manner, and it pleases God to give me the opportunity, to reserve and throw away my first fire.

In the end he literally threw away his shot!

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