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NYC is getting a new subway map, based on the 1972 Unimark/Vignelli map. I know this puts me in the minority of design aficionados, but I have never cared for the Vignelli map — too much style over substance IMO.

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Jonathan Dobres

Seems to take a lot of inspiration from the Kick Map concept: https://kickmap.com

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Colter Mccorkindale

My first thought as well!

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Meg Hourihan

It's so oddly disconnected from the world above ground, I'm not sure how useful it is if you're new to the city.

And it can't ever explain what they mean by "The N is running on the 1." Doesn't that just make it the 1?!?!

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Colter Mccorkindale

As a tourist many times before moving here, I think the number one problem was the single line of color for multiple trains on the track. Keep the trains distinct, so people know which train is which.

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Dan N.

While the old version was truer to geography (though still quite squished relative to actual geography!), I find the new version so much easier to follow because of the clearer lines and identification of stops—the old 'is it a white dot or a black dot' for express vs. local was Not Good.

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Ryan N Edited

I don't rely on this map because I don't live in New York, so I don't truly know if this is better or not, but I absolutely love the new version from an aesthetic and design standpoint.

Among other things, those dotted express train / solid local train lines next to each other are so beautiful. It improves Vignelli's already-great map.

Worth looking at the up-close version: https://www.mta.info/map/5256
And the late-night version is stunning: https://www.mta.info/map/5336

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Chris Anagnos / AAMD

Ah, so not to be super snarky - but, um....how about a subway system that actually works as opposed to a new map? I don't know - a clean every now and again? Something other than a hunger games style commute? The map is nice, however.

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Kevin Miller

Those are unrelated wishes, unless you're asking the map designers to close Illustrator and go sweep.

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Dan Blondell

The main issue with the NYC subway system is a 100 year old vacuum tube based signal system. Map designers are generally not the people working on updating that.

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Keight

I think the previous map is better if you can look at up close. Like once upon a time when you could pick up a printed version and spread it out. I can't remember the last time I saw a printed map! But I've probably spent combined hours of someone peering over my shoulder on the train trying to figure out where they're going because the other map was SO detailed, it's hard to read quickly. The updated Vignelli version looks like it may be easier to read on the train and on screens.

Many years ago I attended an AIGA NY event about MTA graphic design (with a panel including Vignelli and Michael Hertz, the previous map designer). I wonder if there is a recording somewhere. Workers from the MTA sign-making division attended and spoke up from the audience. It was such an incredible event, but I only vaguely remember what everyone talked about.

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Kevin Miller

I'm wishy-washy on it. Forcing everything into 90/45-degree angles seems like style for the sake of style. But it's probably better for the digital age. I'll see how I do on the next trip to NYC.

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Matt Bucher

It's not so much a map as a diagram.

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TLD

I guess we'll all adjust but this new map looks very confusing to me? Why is Central Park a mushed square? Why is Union Square way farther east than it actually is? Part of what made the old map useful is that you could get a sense geographically where each station was. Maybe this new one shows connections better but it makes Union Square look like it's a short walk from the East River and that's just not the case in reality.

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sampotts

Thankfully the MTA app has taken a few huge leaps from where it was a couple years ago and that's probably a lot more useful to locals and visitors alike. I'm not so sure this map/diagram isn't a bit of a vanity design project (which I say as a creator of vanity design diagrams myself). The subway map inside the app is far superior to both of these — one drawn line for each train color, accurate geography, north stays north, and smartly chosen real-world markers as you zoom in (not to mention trip planning, bus routes and service status). Money well spent there!

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