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So, I saw Civil War last night and while it’s well-made with good performances, I don’t quite know what to think of it. Have you seen any good reviews that might help me make sense of what, if anything, the movie was trying to say?

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Rex Sorgatz

This one aligns closest with how I think about it: https://www.vox.com/politics/24127680/civil-war-review-alex-garland-polarization-violence

When I left the theater, the comp ringing in my head was Apocalypse Now. Having not read about it in advance, I thought there would be more about the political machinations, and there was zilch on that. It was a WAR IS MADNESS movie.

Jason KottkeMOD

Yeah, even the first trailer (linked above) provides more political context than the film does (I don't remember any detail like "19 states have seceded" in the actual film (tho maybe I missed it?)) And there doesn't appear to be any "good guys" or "bad guys" — just (at least) two sides with people who run the gamut of the good/bad spectrum. Sort of fascinating.

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Jason KottkeMOD
Lorem Ipsum

It's definitely an alternate reality when Texas and California align on the same side and go to war.

Marco C

"Why did you put Texas and California together in an alliance?

Two reasons. One is just to avoid a quick lazy read. Just take that off the table, you can’t have it. But there’s a bigger reason. I’m provoking the question, why are they together? Is it because I’m British and I’m so stupid I don’t realize they’re in two politically different spaces? I do realize their differences. But what would be so important as a threat that the polarized politics between Texas and California was suddenly seen as less important than the threat?"
(https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/11/movies/alex-garland-civil-war.html)

My guess: water.

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CW Moss

If you're looking for a nice discussion, I love the one they had on The Big Picture podcast. The show is always a really nice mixture of thoughtful and friendly discussion.

Scot Olsen-Morales

Walter Chaw over at Film Freak Central had my favorite review I think:

Civil War is a celebration of journalists as they do the unromantic work of chronicling history as it repeats itself. It is a consideration of the role of mentorship in our brief, painful lives, a celebration of the righteous value of truth for its own sake as breadcrumbs left by lost children in a dark wood to mark that we knew. It made no difference for us, but it might for those who would follow.

Bison Bison

I don’t think it was a celebration of journalists at all. They were shown as being adrenaline junkies, auteurs, voyeurs, victims: everything except being effective at preventing atrocities.

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Pete Ashton

Haven't seen it yet, but of all the reviews and takes I've seen, Kermode's was the only one that made me thing, ah, this might be more interesting than I'd thought. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvgrix7yv_w YYMV of course.

Pete Ashton

(YYMV?)

Scot Olsen-Morales

Your Yeats May Vary? Your Yesterdays May Vary? Your Yields May Vary?

Pete Ashton

I've settled on You Yarn May Vary.

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Andrew Lilja

I always like reading Letterboxd reviews because typically the people there are smarter about movies than me. There are lots of meme and joke posts, but also lots of people who do a better job putting my feelings into words than I can.

Plus, it's great to see so many people with such disparate takes back-to-back. I feel like I get a much more complete sense of how people are interpreting a film when I can read two completely different reviews one after the other like this.

Tra H

The polygon review on the movie seems to paint it squarely as a story about war journalism and the civil war being in the US as a framing device to make the characters/viewers care about the war. From the article:

This isn’t a story about the causes or strategies of post-united America: It’s a personal story about the hows and whys of war journalism — and how the field changes for someone covering a war in their homeland, instead of on foreign turf.

As unnecessarily provocative as that is, I think it's a good idea. Not just because it definitely drove interest in the movie, but because it seems to be actually making people engage with the "why" of a war movie, as opposed to just the "what". If they set this movie in Afghanistan or Iraq, do we spend this much time trying to figure the sides of the conflict, and what started it? Or do we just watch for the big explosive set pieces and the quiet reflective moments with everything else as backdrop for tragedy?

Jay Cagle
Bison Bison

This movie is about two things, primarily: the role of journalists in our society and the horrors of civil war.

I’ve just read many reviews that criticize this for being about nothing/being “hollow” or for the director not taking sides or being more explicit about which side is which and who is right or wrong. They are missing the point. I think it is somewhat understandable given how this movie was marketed.

Kirstyn Dunst’s character, Lee, states the thesis of the movie relatively early on: “Once you start asking yourself those questions, you can't stop. So we don't ask. We record so other people ask. You want to be a journalist? That's the job.” The rest of the movie examines what that means if true, and if that is true.

It raises two warnings, I think:
1. Civil war in the United States would be a horror unlike anything most Americans have ever seen or can even imagine.
2. Journalists and publishers need to more carefully consider what they are doing and why they are doing it.

It is one of the most horrifying movies I’ve seen, and I have seen a lot.

Pete Ashton Edited

Sam Kriss's very long take just dropped. I like this bit:

Look again at the lingering scenes of its effects, which are clearly supposed to be sobering. Tent cities in New York. A dead town in Appalachia, its abandoned mall surrounded by burned-out vehicles, home to packs of stray dogs. Washington DC fortified, scarred with security fences. You see where I’m going with this. That’s just America! That’s just what it looks like over there! This vision of a country that’s been at war with itself for years on end is visually identical with the present.

https://samkriss.substack.com/p/baby-wants-bloodshed

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